VPN's & Hiding IP address

[Daniil]

As I said before, you can try a Jana Server. This is simple but functional proxy soft, made at Germany with teutonic quality.

Optic fiber is not to house in fact. Is isn't a "suburb-house" like in USA, when I said house I mean big soviet townhouse, like this.

Houses like this one can contain up to 1000 private flats.

ISP layed a fiber cable from server center to a house. At the top of a house, somewhere at lift control room, they place a fiber<-->TP gateway, big switches, and then laying a twisted pair to a flats. As you can understand, speed of a link between switch and PC in a flat may be very high. It's easy to set up 100Mbit, even a 1Gbit LAN connection.

But on an upper level, from gateway to ISP server?.. And more upper, from ISP to regional center?.. I don't think so. Typical connection from regional center to corporate/public ISP is 2 x 20GBit optic fiber. (20 up/20 down) Typical ISP provides service to a one microdistrict (about 20-30 houses like this + infrastructhure). Even if just a 1/3 of flats had a computers with internet (and in fact it's more PCs) it's 20GBit/(25*300)=~2.6MBit pure internet traffic per user. BTW, it's accomplish with my measurements of connection speed in such nets.
At workdays mornings connection speed could be much higher, but at this time is almost nobody there.

As for my connection - that's not a my own ISP. This is old, government-owned ISP based on soviet, centralised phone network. At early 2000-s they started to offer a new service - ADSL. They use some primitive, very old ADSL devices, looks like with a hardware flow- and connection control, but without any proxies or real administrating. As I can understand, they bought somewhere a big pool of IP's and use them as dynamic. As for a rules - ow, sure, I must follow their rules - would follow, but rules not written else. There is some paper with common phrases (do not... you must... etc), but they didn't made a correct rules yet, and I think won't make at future.
It's government service, they are very "fast"!

[humbert]

@Daniil - it's hard to believe they have these massive apartment buildings with as many as 1000 flats. They must be tiny! Also, I can imagine you can hear when your neighbor is walking from living room to bathroom. And I guess when you have sex, everyone knows about it. Imagine what it must be like if even the 33% of the people you mention had a WiFi network in their apartments.

After that the typical connection is ADSL, only shared? It's this that brings down the typical connection speed.

Do you live in a flat yourself, only not in a building this size?

[Daniil]

@humbert
You're right! There is lack of private life in such houses. Flats are really tiny, most of them is one-roomed (one living room + kitchen, bathroom, WC and a corridor). Room size is 18 square meters, it's good for one man, but if you want to live there with someone, it becomes really difficult. Sound transparency and wifi isn't very big problem (walls built with reinforced concrete with steel net inside) but walls resonating high-frequency sounds. That's mean that TV or cries when someone making love can't hear good trough walls (but sometimes - yes, mostly at night! And it's very frustrate!), but quarrels and abuse of neighbors hear very well.
I had lives in such house for about a year (I had rent a flat). It's good to have a own flat, but after this I sweared to buy my own flat in stalin-time house or by a suburb house!

Yes, typical connection in old districts is an ADSL. Why you say shared? It's a line to my flat, one flat-one line. Maybe here's anoter misunderstanding of words and terms. What you mean under "my own ISP"? A connection line? (I mean a company who laying cables and service  network infrastructhure and servers, whish provides a connection. It isn't my own ofcourse, but a connection from it to my flat is.)

Yes, now I leaving in a flat of my parents in a center (an old district). (Yes, yes, I know, it is a shame, but I do my best to change this, and that WILL be done!).
Our house is old, but this isn't bad at all. A rooms is small, but here is many of them and all walls is thick, I can hear neighbours only when they drunk like porcupines.

[humbert]

@Daniil - there is no need to feel "ashamed" for living in a flat with your parents. If at this time it's all you can do, better that than nothing. I't much better than living in your own place and constantly having to worry about whether or not that month you'll be able to pay the rent.

I sometimes think if it were possible I'd live in a smaller place if it were constructed using concrete and steel. Few houses here are built this way, for economic reasons. Any time a natural disaster happens they fall apart like dominoes.

The reason I mentioned bandwidth being shared is because I believe you said that the entire bandwidth available for the building would have to be shared, i.e., divided among all who have internet access, and that the more people who had internet the slower the connection per person. Did I understand you correctly? As for being your own ISP, I think you said something to the effect that you didn't have to endure any restrictions they might impose. If what you said was this, then I believed you could only do that by owning the company, i.e., being your own ISP. 

[Maher]

Hey guys,

I didn't read the whole topic as I didn't have much time.
But I wanted to say that 90% or may be more people in Russia live in flats!
I've lived in about 5 different flats in Russia and YES! You hear everything your neighbor does, including making love!!!

As Danil said, flats are small and most of them are 1 room.
In Moscow you need to pay about $1000 a month to rent 1 room apartment!! Do you believe it?

Danil, don't be ashamed bro! You should be proud

[Daniil]

@humbert
Yeah, OK.
Also, how much is cost a house in USA? Typical "suburb house", for example? Also, I heared that there's difference between what we means under "cottage" and "suburb house" ("suburb house" means typical, more cheaper house, and "cottage" means more pricefull and big house for more rich peoples). Is that correct?
I'm asking because here in Russia we call "коÑ,Ñ,едж" (cottage) any suburb house, and rich houses calls as "особняк". (osobnyak, means manor house).
For about ISP. Scheme of sharing one connection between many flats is correct for big houses. Here in central districts we have 1ADSL per 1 flat. (it's cheaper than creating a LAN in a house).
As for company and restrictions - yeah, it's typical russian situation, lol.

@Maher
You're absolutelly correct, even in a price of a rent. Here in St.Petersburg price is about 80-85% of Moscow.

OK, I'll be proud. Let's forget post about "shame" and let's continue our talkings

[Daniil]

@humbert
A valuable addition, comrade. Jana proxy don't want to proxy (or provide any other services) through a dynamic IP connection. That's my error - I forgot about this, today had a step-on-a-rake with this.  You'd try to seek another proxy software if you want to realise topic subject.

[humbert]

Maher's comment about a typical flat in Russia costing about 30,000 rubles a month is almost too hard to believe. How many Russians make that much money a month? How can people even afford to pay for it? Naturally if you're a friend of Putin you're OK.    Then again your flat would be a little more roomy.

@Daniil - the price of housing in America is very dependent on the market. Houses or apartments in big cities and their surroundings are more expensive than exactly the same thing in a smaller city or town. To give you an idea: when I first arrived in San Antonio, I rented an apartment for $620 a month. In Miami the same thing would have cost about $900. I sold my house in Miami for $139,000 and bought the one I have for $110,000. Just to give you an idea, the entire lot (house + land)  in Miami was 300 m² - the one here is 700 m². Why people would pay more money to live in Miami is beyond my comprehension.

Would you say ADSL service offered in Russia is faster than any shared alternative? In my neighborhood I have both options, but despite the fact that cable is shared, ADSL can't compare with it when it comes to speed. In my case, with cable I'm paying for 50 Mbps up/5 Mbps down. ADSL can't even come close.

[Daniil]

Well, a system administrator who works at factory, like I was, or in middle-size office, at present days receives salary about 1200$ (36000 rubles) per month (it's in St.Petersburg, in Moscow salaries is bigger). Salary like this considered as "low to middle", but about 50% of russian peoples have smaller salaries.
Flats is rented mostly by young peoples, who are less than 35 y.o. Main way to solve a problem of high prices is to live together. Man working, his girl working, he receives about 28000, she receives about 20000, and together they can rent a flat.
Older people have a own flats as a heritage of socialism (I had told in other topic, that at that time government gave flats forcibly).

As for housing prices - prices what you say is not bad. Also, it's close to prices of land in surroundings of provincial centers, like somewhere in Samara or Volgograd. Closer to capitals prices grows. For example, only land in Lisiy nos village (Fox nose, it's good place near St'Petersburg) costs about 400000$ (that's for 1600m²). And for a flats price is enormus - 2-roomed flat (18m²+12m²) prices like your house with land in Miami, about 140000$.

But in fact most of russians prefers to live in flats, because there's no good infrastructure in suburbs. That's also a heritage of socialism. At that time government builts a big houses like I shown on photo, but almost no small houses. That was "for create comfort to laborers" on words, but in fact - for easy control over peoples. When man have a private house (especially when he also have a car and a gun) he very soon becomes an "owner", and can "show the way out" for government guys. Socialistic leaders was very afraid in that. And today, as a heritage, there is almost no infrastructure for livning in suburbs. Water, sewerage, roads, even the electricity you must built from scratch.


ADSL is slower but it's easy to get everywhere where is a phone line. Cable (even shared) is same or faster, but it isn't everywhere.
Also, under "cable" I means UTP LAN networks, not coaxial cable. Cable TV with a wide-band coaxial cable is rare in Russia, we're getting TV signal trough a shared house antennas.

[humbert]

@Daniil - thanks for explaining the housing situation in Russia. Hopefully one day people will get over this idea of not building in the suburbs and they'll start to get an infrastucture ready so as to put living quarters there. It makes no sense to concentrate people inside a big city while all that land is unused.

As for TV, did you say that the only thing available is broadcast TV through an antenna? There's no cable, satellite or anything else? Also, is TV still analog or have they made the switch to digital?